Bulut and The Alp that doesn"t Fire Up!

06 mrt 2024 12:53 - 06 mrt 2024 15:52 #21 door Bulut
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Bad news, even with that setup still benzine coming out of exhaust when the tap is in “on” position.

I have no idea why it’s happening with original fuel tank but not with the dummy fuel tank…

But as it seems vacuum tube is not the one to blame.

After further research it got me thinking about float heights might be worthwhile to check again... Even it does not explain "why no issue with the dummy fuel tank?" question.
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06 mrt 2024 17:58 #22 door robgoesdakar
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Perhaps 'fuel pressure' with the dummy tank is much lower than with a fully filled tank.

Perhaps a leaky float bowl, that doesn't rise enough to close against the pressure with the regular tank.

In theorie is er geen verschil tussen theorie en praktijk. In de praktijk wel.

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10 mrt 2024 09:05 #23 door Bulut
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Thanks Rob,

Even though I was sure about the settings of floats I remove them and check for any cracks and also test with pressure if the needle is setting fully to cut of fuel supply. All works properly.

I reinstall the carbs with new boots to eliminate any air leak issue as well. Tried it yesterday and after 20 min o running it stalled again...

Luckily I had a video this time to show you all what is going on with my Alpje! I edited it to make it short but still 12 mins, thanks for your patience and recommendations in advance!



Cheers,
Bulut

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10 mrt 2024 10:39 #24 door alain
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Did you already switched CDI's and watched the tachometer on the moment of stalling?

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10 mrt 2024 12:24 #25 door Bulut
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Hi Alain,

Thanks for the recommendation, yes the CDI is replaced with new ignitechs

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10 mrt 2024 14:29 - 10 mrt 2024 22:07 #26 door Timo
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Hi Bulut,

I've read that you have checked the ignition coils? But how did you test them? They should produce 2 different values. 1 "cold" and 1 somewhere around 20 degrees. If one of them is faulty, it is possible that the "cold" value is ok. But after heating up, the "hot" value will become faulty. This would explain why the engine runs somewhat ok in cold conditions, but deteriorates after some time.

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10 mrt 2024 22:18 #27 door robgoesdakar
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Allways very difficult to analyse remotely, but the strange thing is that it appears to be running fairly correctly with an externa gas tank, and fails when the regular gas tank is connected.

Did you try running external gas tank with original tank still in place ? If that also fails, than I would say that your coils are failing due to the heat. (With the tank removed there is more cooling to them).

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11 mrt 2024 08:29 #28 door alain
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Also bad electrical connections can fail due to heat.

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14 mrt 2024 16:21 #29 door Bulut
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Goedemiddag allemaal,

Thanks again to all for the support.

Timo,

I take out the HT Coils and measure Primary winding 0.1 and secondary 8.4 for all 4 coils. I don't know how to measure it while its attached to motorcycle, any guidance is appreciated. For pulser coil Fr 425 Rr 415 and I also checked them while running(after 10 min) they were still in range.

Alain,

True that, but electrical systems a little bit beyond my skills for now. Always found it too complicated ;)

Rob,

I tried your recommendation just now and with external tank it runs well for 10+ min again (while actual tank is also on the bike). Then I shifted the actual tank and it stalled again 2 min later. I think it's time to bring my Alpje to the Shop, I don't wanna miss these sunny days any more :) I'll reach out to you today/tomorrow.

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14 mrt 2024 18:04 #30 door Garfield
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I have just read the whole topic again to refresh my memory.

It seems your main problem is too much fuel coming to the engine when you use your regular petrol tank.

To my mind, this can basically happen for two reasons:
- fuel coming through vacuum line on petcock,
- float valves not closing properly.

It seems you have investigated both items and have at leasr ruled out option 1.

This is more or less what Rob also wrote. Still, with you being less experienced than Rob, I'd head over to him and let him take a look.
(No offense meant, just trying to offer my best advice.)

Ik heb 'enkele' motoren waaronder een XL650V en een NX250.

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14 mrt 2024 18:08 #31 door Timo
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This is what the reading should be

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23 mrt 2024 05:54 #32 door Bulut
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Hi Garfield Hi Timo,

Thanks for the responses! indeed I think I did these checks by the book but maybe missing something... That's why today is the day to load my Alpje in a Van and drop by to Rob's place! Hopefully he'll discover the issue and my next post will be about my two week travel plan in May :)

Fijne weekend!

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23 mrt 2024 08:49 #33 door Garfield
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I think that's a smart decision.
I'm sure he'll fix the issue well in time before your trip.
Keep us posted, I'm curious too !

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05 apr 2024 08:23 #34 door Edxrv
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Nog nieuws?

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